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Tom Webster: A Crucial Metric of Podcasting’s Health

Tom Webster is Senior Vice President, Strategy and Marketing, at Edison Research, the preeminent media research company addressing how people listen to audio. He is a frequent keynote speaker at podcast and digital audio conferences. This column was originally published in Medium.


Every year, Edison Research and Triton Digital produce the Infinite Dial, which for nearly 25 years has been (among other things) the most reliable bellweather of the current state of audio consumption in the U.S. For podcasters, the numbers have taken on an even greater import as the medium’s annual “health check,” so I wanted to provide a little insight into how to read some of the health indicators that might otherwise get glossed over.

First of all, podcasting is still growing, there is no doubt about that. The sharpest growth for 2021 was in weekly listening, which is up 17% year-over-year.

You can eyeball “growth” from a chart like this, and to paraphrase Gordon Gecko, Growth, for lack of a better word, is Good. Some years, the slope of this growth is greater than others — but when it appears to slow, that doesn’t necessarily mean the medium is not healthy. One of the things that brand researchers like to look at is a comparison called ATU. No, that’s not how Americans measure natural gas post-Revolution; rather, it stands for Awareness-Trial-Usage, or an analysis of the conversion from simple awareness of a medium to making it a habit.

Here’s a little back-of-the-envelope way to gauge podcasting against the larger backdrop of online audio. If we compare the percentage of podcast listeners who say they have listened to a podcast in the last month to those that have listened in the past week, we get something that looks like this:

You don’t need to be a statistician to see that all of these numbers (including the year — FATHER TIME IS UNDEFEATED) are increasing. Now lets add a little color to this graph:

What this graph tells us is that not only are the percentage of weekly and monthly listeners continuing to grow, but the conversion rate of monthly to weekly listeners is also growing. My friend Pierre Bouvard calls this percentage “habituation,” but you can think of it simply as the percentage of people who listen to podcasts that have made them a regular part of their media diet. Back in 2013, 58% of monthly listeners were also weekly listeners. Today, 68% of monthly listeners are also weekly listeners. This conversion number is not guaranteed to go up every year — even in years when there are increases in both the monthly and weekly numbers! It is a true measure of the “stickiness” of podcasts.

Essentially, this number approaches as close to 100% as it is going to get when a medium approaches maturity. For comparison, here are the same figures for online audio listening (streaming, essentially) from the Infinite Dial over the same period:

Apples to apples, podcasting currently converts 68% of its monthly listeners to weekly listeners, while streaming/online audio converts 91% of its monthly listeners to weekly listeners. These numbers tell us many things: online audio is very healthy (the conversion number is high, and not falling) and podcasting isn’t there…yet. That doesn’t mean podcasting isn’t healthy — it just means it isn’t mature. This is the stat to trot out when people claim that we have reached “peak podcasting.”

When a medium has just started to go past its sell-by date, like milk gone bad, you see that conversion percentage fall (and yes, it has fallen for some forms of media. You can imagine these data for traditional linear television, for example.)

Here’s one more measure along these lines — the relationship between the percentage of Americans 12+ who are aware of podcasting to those who listen weekly:

Again, all of these numbers are growing, which is good. But more significantly, the ratio of weekly listening-to-awareness of podcasting is growing (and these ratios don’t necessarily have to grow, right?) Here’s what this ratio, and its growth, tell us: podcasting isn’t just getting “bigger,” it’s getting better. What converts people from awareness to usage to habit is not the inevitability of the passage of time, it’s improvement — better content, better access, better discovery — better podcasts. Again, imagine what this conversion percentage from awareness to weekly consumption might look like for linear TV, and you can see there is a lot more room to grow.

That’s a lot of numbers and backs of envelopes, so I’ll stop there. I hope that’s given you another way to parse these “currency” metrics as they come in each year. It is the growth in these key ratios, not just their component percentages, that tells us podcasting has miles and miles to go before it reaches its full potential.

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Tom Webster

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